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Stop Using AI Like Google, Start Using It to Change Your Life with Geoff Woods

Most people use AI to write faster emails. Geoff Woods used it to move a company from $750M to $12B in market cap, and then turned the same framework on himself. This conversation is about what happens when you stop treating AI like a search engine and start treating it like the most honest thinking partner you've ever had.

With Geoff Woods1h 28mAI Leadership · Strategic Thinking · Personal Growth
The short version

Most leaders are using AI to do faster versions of things that don't matter, better emails, quicker summaries, smarter Google searches. Geoff Woods, author of The AI-Driven Leader, argues the real opportunity is using AI as a thought partner that interviews you, surfaces your blind spots, and helps you redesign how you lead and live. His CRIT framework (Context, Role, Interview, Task) gives AI enough structure to simulate any expert in the world and then turn the questions back on you. The same framework he used to help drive $11B in enterprise value also helped his executive assistant go from managing his calendar to running Latin American advisory engagements in nine months. The shift isn't about the technology, it's about deciding to become the kind of leader who harnesses it.

Key moments
What you'll take away

9 ideas from this conversation

01

Stop majoring in the minors

Using AI to write better emails is using a supercomputer as a calculator. The leverage is in using it to elevate how you think, lead, and solve problems.

02

Great questions provoke the wall

A question is only great if the person hearing it hits the wall labeled 'I don't know.' That's where the ceiling is, and where the growth starts.

03

CRIT gives AI structure to serve you

Context, Role, Interview, Task. The difference between a mediocre AI response and a Michelin-star one is quality and structure in how you communicate.

04

You are not what you do

Geoff sold his company and woke up depressed because he'd sold his identity. The real fear of AI isn't job loss, it's identity loss.

05

Tech doesn't transform companies, leaders do

You can't redesign your operations or product with AI until you've transformed yourself. Leaders who are still seeing black and white can't describe color.

06

The 80% mostly bounces

Most of what's on your plate is a rubber ball, if it doesn't get done, it bounces back. The glass balls are the 20% that drive 80% of results. Catch those first.

07

Human skills are appreciating assets

Strategic thinking, problem solving, communication, collaboration, and creation are going up in value. Tactical execution is going down. Choose where to invest.

08

AI as a thought partner, not an assistant

The game changes when you stop asking AI questions and let it interview you, pulling out context and clarity you didn't know you had.

09

Speed to alignment is the new competitive moat

What used to take six months of political wrangling in a C-suite can now happen in two hours when every voice is heard simultaneously and AI collapses the conversation into what actually matters.

Full show notes

Stop Using AI Like Google, Start Using It to Change Your Life with Geoff Woods

Why The AI-Driven Leader book is different from every other AI book

When Geoff Woods sat down to write The AI-Driven Leader, he wasn't trying to write a tech manual. He was trying to answer the question nobody else was asking: who do you have to become to actually harness this thing? "It's not about using this to write better emails or to be a really smart Google," he says. "It's a thought partner to elevate how you think, how you lead, how you solve problems." The book is currently the number one AI book in the world for leaders, and if you start the audio version in the car, Ben warns you'll be pulling over within 20 minutes to take action.

How Geoff Woods used AI to drive $11 billion in enterprise value

Before AI was a buzzword, Geoff was already obsessed with one skill: asking the right questions. He co-founded the training and consulting company behind Gary Keller's bestselling book The ONE Thing, then went in-house at Jindal Steel, a 100,000-person public company, as a growth executive. By focusing on four drivers (strategy, execution, people, and technology), the team moved market cap from $750 million to $12 billion in four years. When ChatGPT launched in December 2022, Geoff saw it not as a productivity tool but as a potential multiplier for the skill he'd already spent a decade mastering. "My career has been defined by asking leaders the right questions to unlock new levels of growth," he says. "But here I am asking AI questions. Could I turn the tables and get it to interview me?"

The CRIT framework: how to use AI as a thought partner

CRIT stands for Context, Role, Interview, Task, and it's the structural difference between a mediocre AI response and one that genuinely changes how you think. Context is where most people underinvest: Geoff pushes people three levels deep, past the point where they think they've said enough. Role is where the leverage lives, AI has been trained on roughly 500 million books' worth of data and can simulate any expert in under a second. "You want it to be an aggressive growth-minded board member. Done. You want it to be your ideal customer. Done." The Interview step is the real game changer: instead of asking AI questions like Google, you let it ask you questions, pulling out context and clarity you didn't know you had. The Task is whatever you want it to produce once it knows enough. Geoff demonstrated this live in the episode, building a CRIT prompt in real time for a listener trying to rebalance their identity as a family man with a business.

Using AI for personal clarity and leadership growth

The same framework Geoff uses in Fortune 500 boardrooms works just as well for the internal work most leaders avoid. He walked his executive assistant Marionella through a CRIT process to identify her core strengths, and she came back not just with a vision for bringing 10x more value, but with a prompt designed to make Geoff himself 100x more valuable. "She literally sat there and waited on Zoom while AI interviewed me for 15 minutes," he says. She then built a "defense GPT", a custom AI that pressure-tests Geoff every time he wants to break one of his own rules, showing him the economic impact of saying yes to the wrong things. Nine months in, she'd gone from managing his calendar to running advisory engagements across Latin America.

How AI can change your life by returning you to being human

One of the most striking arguments in this conversation is historical. Geoff traces the modern education system back to John D. Rockefeller's General Education Board in 1902, a $100M investment (about $2.3B today) designed to produce workers who could show up on time, take direction, and execute repetitively with minimal error. "We stopped focusing on developing and mastering the skills that make us human and started mastering skills reflective of machines," he says. The irony is that AI, a machine, may be what forces us back to the skills that are distinctly human: strategic thinking, problem solving, communication, collaboration, and creation. "Isn't it interesting that it might be a machine that returns us to making us human?"

Speed to alignment: how AI-driven leaders restructure organizations

At the organizational level, Geoff's firm AI Leadership is redesigning how executive meetings run. In one engagement, 40 leaders simultaneously opened a custom AI thought partner, were interviewed for 15 minutes each, and produced a merged strategic plan, with full visibility into where the room was aligned and where it diverged, in under an hour. The CEO said it would have taken three months the old way. In another company dealing with deep political division in the C-suite, the same process collapsed six months of anticipated conflict into two hours. "You don't bolt AI on," Geoff says. "You blow it up and start AI first."

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It's not about using this to write better emails or to be a really smart Google. It's a thought partner to elevate how you think, how you lead, how you solve problems. That's a game changer.
Geoff Woods
Isn't it interesting that it might be a machine that returns us to making us human?
Geoff Woods
I sold my stake in the company and woke up the next morning deeply depressed because I sold my identity. I didn't know who I was anymore.
Geoff Woods
You don't bolt AI on. You blow it up and start AI first.
Geoff Woods
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Meet Geoff Woods

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Geoff Woods

Author · The AI-Driven Leader | Founder, AI Leadership

Geoff Woods spent a decade turning Gary Keller's bestselling book The ONE Thing into a global training and consulting company before going in-house as a growth executive at Jindal Steel, where he helped drive market cap from $750M to $12B. He's the author of The AI-Driven Leader, currently the number one book in the world on AI for leaders, and the founder of AI Leadership, a firm that helps companies redesign how they align, decide, and execute at the speed an AI-driven world demands.

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Questions & answers

What is The AI-Driven Leader book about?
The AI-Driven Leader by Geoff Woods is about the mindset and skill shifts required to actually harness AI, not just use it for productivity tasks. It argues that the technology isn't the difference that makes the difference; the leader who harnesses it is. Geoff draws on his experience driving $11B in enterprise value to show how AI can become a thought partner for strategy, personal clarity, and organizational transformation.
Who is Geoff Woods and what is his background?
Geoff Woods co-founded the training and consulting company behind Gary Keller's bestselling book The ONE Thing, then served as a growth executive at Jindal Steel where he helped move market cap from $750M to $12B in four years. He's now the author of The AI-Driven Leader and founder of AI Leadership, a firm that helps companies redesign how they align, decide, and execute at the speed an AI-driven world demands.
What is the CRIT framework for using AI as a thought partner?
CRIT stands for Context, Role, Interview, and Task. You give AI deep context about your situation, assign it a role (the expert you want it to simulate), ask it to interview you with targeted questions rather than just answering yours, and then define the task you want it to complete. The Interview step is the key differentiator, it flips the dynamic so AI is pulling clarity out of you rather than just generating content at you.
How can AI help with personal growth and not just business productivity?
Geoff argues that the same framework used to drive billion-dollar strategic alignment can be turned inward. You can build a CRIT prompt that has AI interview you about how you're showing up as a parent, partner, or leader, surfacing the gap between who you say you are and how you're actually investing your time. The goal isn't productivity; it's clarity about identity and priorities.
What human skills will matter most in an AI-driven world?
Geoff identifies five: strategic thinking, problem solving, communication, collaboration, and creation. These are the skills that appreciate in value as AI automates tactical execution. He's so convinced of this that he pulled his own kids out of traditional school, which he says was still manufacturing students to think and act like machines.
How does AI improve executive meetings and organizational alignment?
Geoff's firm uses a proprietary AI thought partner to interview every person in a leadership team simultaneously before or during a meeting, then merges the outputs to show where the room is aligned and where it diverges. What used to take months of facilitated off-sites can happen in one to two hours, with every voice heard, not just the loudest ones. The goal is speed to alignment, speed of decision, and speed of execution.
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Subject: This AI conversation is worth 88 minutes of your time

I don't send a lot of these, but this one landed differently.

Ben Laws just released a conversation with Geoff Woods, author of The AI-Driven Leader, and it's the most grounded, practical, and honestly personal take on AI I've come across.

Geoff helped drive a company from $750M to $12B in market cap. He's worked with Air Canada, Fortune 500 C-suites, and some of the largest companies in the world. But the part of this conversation that hit hardest was when he talked about selling his company, waking up depressed, and realizing he'd accidentally sold his identity along with it.

He also walks through his CRIT framework live, a simple four-part structure that turns AI from a fancy search engine into an actual thinking partner. You'll want to pause and rewind.

Full episode, show notes, and a free reflection worksheet here: https://maxlifecoach.com/episodes/stop-using-ai-like-google-start-using-it-to-change

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