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The ROI of Generosity with Zac Larson

Generosity isn't what you do after you've made it. Financial advisor and author Zac Larson makes the case that giving is a strategic advantage you can start building today, at any income level.

With Zac Larson1h 17mGenerosity · Intentionality · Mental Health
The short version

Most people treat generosity as a destination, something to unlock after hitting a number. Zac Larson argues that's exactly backwards. Generosity is for you, not from you, and the joy it produces is longer-lasting and deeper than anything you can buy. The data backs it up: giving percentages don't rise as income rises, which means waiting to give is a habit you're already forming. Zac's practical fix is a 'Live Generously Fund', a separate account funded from bonuses or pay that exists purely to make someone's day, no 501(c)(3) required. Generosity also isn't just money: time, attention, and showing up are forms of giving that compound just as fast.

Key moments
What you'll take away

9 ideas from this conversation

01

Generosity is for you, not from you

Zac's core truth is that giving isn't a sacrifice you make, it's an experience that returns more than it costs. The joy of a thank-you note outlasts the joy of any purchase.

02

Waiting to give trains you not to

Tax return data shows giving percentages don't rise as income rises. If you haven't trained your bank account to be generous along the way, the world will always tell you that you don't have enough.

03

Create a Live Generously Fund

Set aside a portion of bonuses or pay into a separate account with one purpose: making someone's day. It has nothing to do with charity, it's about spontaneous, agenda-free giving.

04

Time and attention are forms of generosity

Zac's father-in-law drives four hours round-trip to watch a game. Turning your phone off and being present is one of the most generous things you can give anyone.

05

Add a joy column to your balance sheet

Track cumulative lifetime giving alongside net worth. The number that invokes meaning is rarely the one that just measures accumulation.

06

Generous capitalism is a real thing

You can be a capitalist and a generous person, they're not in tension. When you invest back into the people and community that made your success possible, all boats rise.

07

Hard things are a call to action

Whether it's jumping in a cold pool with your kids or pulling a breathing tube, the hardest moments are where clarity lives. The question is always: so what, now what?

08

Depression doesn't look like Eeyore

Zac describes his experience as a lack of emotion, not sadness, but flatness. Naming it accurately and getting help early made all the difference.

09

Progress beats perfection every time

One flossed tooth. A five-mile ride. One set of movements. The flywheel of intentional habit starts smaller than you think, and it still counts.

Full show notes

The ROI of Generosity with Zac Larson

Why generosity is a strategic advantage, not a sacrifice

Most people treat generosity as a reward they'll collect after they've made it. Financial advisor Zac Larson has spent his career watching that logic fail. "If you haven't trained your body, trained your mind, trained your bank account to be generous along the way," he says, "the world will always say you don't have enough." The data backs him up: look at tax returns across income levels from $50,000 to $1 million and the giving percentages barely move. Waiting to give isn't prudence, it's a habit you're already forming.

Zac's reframe is simple but powerful: generosity is for you, not from you. The joy of a handwritten thank-you note outlasts the joy of any purchase. The relationships built through coaching 37 youth basketball teams returned more than he ever put in. Giving, done with intention, compounds.

How to be more generous with money starting today

Zac doesn't wait for a cause or a charity to show up. He and his wife Kristen created what they call a Live Generously Fund, a separate account funded from bonuses and pay with one purpose: spontaneous, agenda-free giving. "It has nothing to do with 501(c)(3) or charity," he explains. "It just has to do with maybe making someone smile, or making a day better, or helping them when they're down."

He also recommends adding a joy column to your personal balance sheet. Track cumulative lifetime giving alongside net worth. "I want to be at a point where my cumulative lifetime giving is higher than my net worth," he says, not as a hair-shirt exercise, but because that number actually represents something. Net worth measures accumulation. The joy column measures direction.

How to be more generous with time and attention

Money is only one lane. Zac points to his father-in-law, who drives four hours round-trip to watch a grandkid's game, as one of the most generous people he knows. "The simplest ways that we can be generous to people is just maybe turn our phone off once in a while and pay attention to someone who's with us." He's quick to admit he fails at this regularly, which is exactly what makes it worth saying out loud.

Coaching 37 teams over 15 years produced zero college athletes. It produced hundreds of relationships he'd never have had otherwise. "I got way more from that than I ever gave into it." That's the ROI of generosity that doesn't show up on a balance sheet.

Five core values that make generosity a practice, not a mood

Zac's firm runs on five values: live intentionally, be real, grow purposefully, find solutions, and live generously. "Busy is not an excuse," he says of the first one. "There is time for what matters in our life." The values aren't wall art, they're hiring criteria, promotion criteria, and the lens through which hard conversations happen.

"Be real" gets the most nuance. It doesn't mean posting raw opinions online. It means building trust before sharing truth. He cites Doug Collins coaching Michael Jordan: "Michael Jordan's not going to listen to me. He doesn't know me." Relationship first. Truth second. That's the sequence that actually works, in business, in parenting, and in marriage.

Generous capitalism and the case for giving while you build

Zac is direct about his politics of giving: "I'm a capitalist. But I want to be known as a generous capitalist." He's not interested in forced redistribution or in waiting for a giving pledge moment. He's interested in the business owner who levels up every employee's salary because a thriving team creates thriving clients. "When you're generous, all boats rise."

The Warren Buffett giving pledge comes up, and Zac's take is counterintuitive. Buffett himself diminishes his own giving because he recognizes that the person tithing $150 a week on a tight budget is sacrificing more in real terms than a billionaire writing a nine-figure check. Proportional generosity, practiced early, is the whole game.

Hard things, mental health, and the 'so what, now what' question

The conversation turns to doing hard things, RAGBRAI, century rides, push-up challenges, and Zac is clear that the hardest thing he's done isn't physical. It's sitting with depression during COVID and admitting he needed help. "For me it wasn't sadness," he says. "It was a lack of emotion. I was like a robot just going through life."

He got paired with a therapist, found medication that increased his serotonin, and came out the other side with a rebrand proposal for the mental health industry: stop calling it an anti-depressant. "Just say you need to increase your serotonin. That's all it was for me." He shares it publicly because people helped him through it, and too many people shoulder it alone out of embarrassment.

His mentor Glenn Wagner's framework closes the episode: so what, now what? You've heard it. What will you do with it? Whether today is a mountaintop or a hard floor, there's a next step. The only question is whether you'll take it.

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Lines worth sitting with

If you haven't trained your body, trained your mind, trained your bank account to be generous along the way, the world will always say you don't have enough.
Zac Larson
God wants generosity for us, not from us. And when we live into other people's lives, when we give into their experiences, when we invest in them, there's just so many incredible things that come back to me.
Zac Larson
Net worth is not even close to the most important number that we can track in our lives.
Zac Larson
I want to be known as a generous capitalist. We can succeed in this together and invest back into the people around us and the community around us that made it all possible.
Zac Larson
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Meet Zac Larson

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Zac Larson

Financial advisor, author, and founder of a values-driven planning firm

Zac Larson is a financial planner who has spent his career helping clients attach meaning to their balance sheets, not just bigger numbers. He coaches his team around five core values, live intentionally, be real, grow purposefully, find solutions, and live generously, and has coached 37 youth basketball teams alongside raising four boys with his wife Kristen. He's one of the most quietly influential voices on generosity and intentional living in the entrepreneurial space.

Questions, answered

Questions & answers

How to be more generous with money when you feel like you don't have enough?
Zac's answer is that the feeling of not having enough doesn't go away when the number gets bigger, tax data shows giving percentages stay flat across income levels. The fix is to start small and make it systematic: a separate 'Live Generously Fund' funded from any bonus or windfall, even a small one, creates a giving habit that grows with your income rather than waiting for a threshold that never arrives.
What is the ROI of generosity?
The returns are both tangible and intangible. On the tangible side, charitable giving reduces taxable income. On the intangible side, Zac describes a longer-lasting, deeper joy from giving than from any purchase, stronger relationships, and a sense of purpose that accumulating a net worth number simply doesn't produce. He tracks cumulative lifetime giving on his personal balance sheet alongside net worth specifically to measure this.
What is a Live Generously Fund?
It's a separate bank account Zac and his wife Kristen fund from bonuses and pay with one purpose: spontaneous, agenda-free giving. It has nothing to do with charities or tax strategy. It exists so that when a friend needs help, a server is having a rough day, or a family member needs something, the money is already set aside and the decision is already made.
Can you be generous and still be a capitalist?
Zac's answer is an unambiguous yes. He describes himself as a 'generous capitalist', someone who builds businesses and wealth while intentionally investing back into the people and community that made that success possible. He points to research on businesses that raised employee wages significantly and found that thriving employees produce thriving clients, which produces better business outcomes. Generosity and capitalism aren't in tension; they're compounding forces.
How do you teach kids about generosity?
Zac's parents started him with a four-quarter allowance and required him to give one quarter away, 25% from the beginning. With his own four boys, he leads with experience over lecture: tipping generously even when service was poor, coaching their teams for 15 years, and being physically present rather than on his phone. The goal is to open their eyes to the fact that the world is bigger than them, and that they have something to invest in it.
What does depression actually feel like?
Zac describes his experience as the opposite of what most people picture. It wasn't sadness or crying, it was a flatness, a lack of emotion. He could be in a great experience and feel nothing, or face something hard and feel nothing. He got help through therapy and medication that increased his serotonin levels, and he shares the story publicly because too many people shoulder it alone out of embarrassment when help is available.
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Hey,

I just listened to Zac Larson on the MaxLife podcast and thought of you immediately.

He makes the case that generosity isn't a sacrifice, it's a strategic advantage. And the data he cites is hard to argue with: giving percentages don't rise as income rises, which means waiting to give is a habit you're already forming right now.

He also talks about building a 'Live Generously Fund,' adding a joy column to your personal balance sheet, and why net worth is not the number that actually matters.

Full episode and a free reflection worksheet here: https://maxlifecoach.com/episodes/the-roi-of-generosity-with-zac-larson

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