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Creating Safe Spaces: A Journey of Inner Work with Dennis McIntee

Dennis McIntee has coached hundreds of leaders through their hardest moments. Then he sat down and admitted he'd never learned how to process grief himself. This is that conversation.

With Dennis McIntee1h 17mGrief · Leadership · Inner Work
The short version

Unprocessed grief doesn't just sit there. It compounds quietly, shrinks your risk tolerance, sharpens your inner critic, and drives your ambition from a wound instead of from joy. Leadership coach Dennis McIntee shares how a workshop on the window of tolerance cracked open a lifetime of small, unexamined losses he'd never named. The fix isn't dramatic: it's learning to name emotions precisely, find safe relationships where you can say things out loud, and separate the event from the emotional story you've attached to it. When you process grief in real time, you stop carrying the bag everywhere you go, and the work starts feeling like pull instead of push.

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What you'll take away

9 ideas from this conversation

01

Grief compounds if you ignore it

Small losses pile up the same way big ones do. Not processing them quietly shrinks your window of tolerance and your willingness to take risk.

02

You can't think your way out

Dennis learned from the Polyvagal Institute that you can't think your way out of something you emoted yourself into. The body has to be part of the process.

03

Name it so you don't display it

"When I name it, I can tame it. When I say it, I don't display it." Precise emotional language changes the intensity of the experience itself.

04

Every wound becomes the lens

When somebody has a wound, every single action revolves around that wound until it gets processed. Overresponding is always about an older event, not the current one.

05

Entrepreneurs are damaged with good coping skills

"As entrepreneurs, I think sometimes we are the most damaged people with high functioning coping skills." The ambition that drives you may be fueled by something that still needs healing.

06

You convince through strength, connect through weakness

"I think you convince people through your strengths, but I think you connect with them through your weakness." Vulnerability isn't a liability in leadership; it's the actual connection point.

07

Emotions are indicators, not judgments

Emotions are just telling you what you need. Treating them as guideposts instead of problems to suppress changes how quickly you can move through them.

08

Safe spaces have to be found and built

Safety in a relationship means the other person won't take your emotion as an attack, won't defend, and will let you get it out so you can examine it. That's a skill and a choice.

09

Shift from surviving to being pulled

When the wound heals, the work stops feeling like a demon chasing you and starts feeling like genuine pull. The fees you charge for your time and energy go up naturally.

Full show notes

#7: Creating Safe Spaces: A Journey of Inner Work with Dennis McIntee

How to process grief before it quietly runs your life

Dennis McIntee didn't go to a workshop in Southern California to talk about grief. He went because he'd noticed he was becoming risk averse, and he wanted to fix it. What he found instead was a session on the window of tolerance that stopped him cold. "Grief and anger are two compounding emotions," the facilitator said, "and if you don't process through them, they pile up." Dennis says it hit him like a ton of bricks. Not the big grief, the deaths, the traumas, but the small, daily losses he'd never named. A client who didn't sign. A team member who quit. A sales number that fell short. Grief, it turns out, doesn't care about the size of the loss. It just keeps adding to the bag you're carrying.

This episode is one of the most honest conversations in the MaxLife catalog. Dennis opens up about his dad going to prison when he was 15, about a harsh inner critic he'd been feeding for decades, and about the moment his wife told him she loved vacation Dennis but didn't always like work Dennis. None of it is polished. All of it is useful.

How to process grief in a healthy way: the Disappointment Navigator

Dennis created a four-step tool he calls the Disappointment Navigator, originally for his roundtable mastermind group, and he shares the framework here. The steps are simple: name the event, name how you feel or think about it, identify what you need, and decide who you can share it with. "An experience is an event plus an emotional attachment to that event," he explains. When you separate the event from the emotion, you can examine the emotion instead of just living inside it. That separation is where the learning lives. Dennis says his own learning has accelerated faster in the weeks since he started using this process than in years of pushing through without it.

He also walks through the feelings wheel, a tool he'd recommended to others for years before finally using it himself. The point isn't just to feel your feelings. It's to get precise. "Am I pissed off, or am I just a little annoyed?" he asks. "What I say determines my experience. How I name it determines my experience." He now sets an hourly alarm on his phone that asks one question: how are you feeling? Getting the emotion out of the body and into language, he says, keeps it from becoming a monster.

Vulnerability in leadership: why connection requires weakness

Dennis has coached leaders in large organizations for years. He knows how to be the most capable person in the room. And he's spent a long time confusing that capability with wholeness. "I think you convince people through your strengths," he says, "but I think you connect with them through your weakness." That line lands differently when you hear him say it while actively processing grief on a podcast, admitting he didn't like himself for a long time, and describing the relief of leaving what he calls Perfect Dennis in a hotel room in Costa Mesa.

Vulnerability in leadership isn't a strategy. It's what happens when you stop performing. Dennis describes how Brené Brown's observation about vulnerability works in reverse from the inside: when you watch someone share their weakness, you think they're strong. When you're the one sharing it, you feel weak and inadequate. The gap between those two experiences is where most leaders get stuck. They see the strength in others' openness and still can't access it in themselves.

How to process unresolved grief from childhood wounds

When Dennis was 15, a police officer put his father in handcuffs and took him to prison. His dad spent most of the rest of his life in and out of incarceration before he died. Dennis is the oldest of three kids. He felt abandoned, scared, and alone. "When somebody has a wound," he says, "every single action revolves around that wound, and until you can get that thing healed, it'll always come back up."

He uses a workplace example to make it concrete: a nurse who feels disrespected by a supervisor whether the supervisor says hi or doesn't say hi. The supervisor can't win because the wound is interpreting every signal through its own filter. Overresponding is never about the current event. It's always about an older one. The work is to go back to that event, name the emotion attached to it, and process it so it stops running the present. Dennis says his dad's imprisonment is now one of his greatest advantages as a father and a coach, but only because he processed it. Without that processing, it was just a weight.

Creating safe spaces for emotional processing

Dennis is direct about what a safe space actually is: a relationship where the other person won't treat your emotion as an attack, won't get defensive, and will let you get it out so you can examine it. He calls this containment. "You cannot attack me unless I believe you're attacking me," he says. "If I don't believe it's an attack, I don't have to defend."

He describes driving with his wife while she was upset with him, noticing his own irritation rising, and then asking himself: would she still be mad if I weren't in the car? The answer was yes. So it wasn't about him. That single reframe changed the whole conversation. Safe spaces aren't just found, they're built through emotional maturity, preframing, and the willingness to hear someone without immediately solving them. Dennis's advice for entrepreneurs who want this: stop throwing the rope down the well and get in it first. People want to feel understood before they want any advice at all.

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As entrepreneurs, I think sometimes we are the most damaged people with high functioning coping skills.
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I think you convince people through your strengths, but I think you connect with them through your weakness.
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When I name it, I can tame it. When I say it, I don't display it.
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I've lived with a demon chasing me for years, and it's not chasing me anymore.
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Meet Dennis McIntee

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Dennis McIntee

Speaker, author, and founder of Leadership Development Group

Dennis McIntee has spent decades coaching leaders inside some of the country's largest organizations. He's the founder of Leadership Development Group and creator of mastermind roundtable experiences built around the kind of honest, safe conversation most leaders never get. He speaks and writes on leadership, emotional health, and the inner work that makes outer results sustainable.

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How to process grief in a healthy way
Dennis recommends a four-step process he calls the Disappointment Navigator: name the event, identify how you feel or think about it, clarify what you need, and find someone safe to share it with. The key is separating the event from the emotional story you've attached to it. Once those two things are separate, you can examine the emotion instead of just living inside it. Processing in motion, like a walk-and-talk, also helps because it's easier to access emotion when you're not sitting face-to-face.
How to process unresolved grief
Unresolved grief often hides in plain sight as risk aversion, a harsh inner critic, or a short fuse that seems disproportionate to the situation. Dennis found that the small, daily losses he'd never named had been compounding for years. Starting with a feelings wheel to get precise about what you're actually feeling, and then saying it out loud to a safe person, is how you begin to move it. The goal isn't to relive the past but to extract the learning that was locked inside the unprocessed emotion.
How long does it take to process grief
Dennis doesn't give a fixed timeline, and that's the point. He describes grief as something that compounds when you don't process it in real time, which means the backlog can take longer to work through than fresh losses. What he found is that once he started processing consistently, his learning accelerated faster than it had in years. The pace depends less on the size of the loss and more on whether you have safe relationships and a reliable process to move it through.
How to process grief and trauma
Dennis draws a clear line between the event and the emotional attachment to it. Trauma isn't defined by the size of the event but by the emotion you attached to it and never processed. He points out that when a wound goes unexamined, every future experience gets filtered through it, which is why people overrespond to things that seem minor. Processing means going back to the original event, naming the emotion precisely, and finding what you needed then that you didn't get. That's where the wound starts to close.
What is vulnerability in leadership
Dennis describes it as the gap between how strength looks from the outside and how weakness feels from the inside. When you watch someone share a struggle, you think they're courageous. When you're the one sharing it, you feel inadequate. Most leaders get stuck in that gap and perform strength instead of actually connecting. His experience is that the connections that matter most in his work and his marriage came through sharing weakness, not showcasing competence.
How to create safe spaces for emotional processing
A safe space is a relationship where the other person practices containment: they let you express whatever you're feeling without treating it as an attack or rushing to defend or fix. Dennis says you often have to preframe the conversation by telling someone what you need before you start, whether that's comfort, perspective, or just to be heard. He also notes that safety is something only you can determine, and it takes trial and error to find people who can hold that space without making it about themselves.
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I just listened to this episode of the MaxLife Podcast and wanted to send it your way. Ben Laws interviews leadership coach Dennis McIntee, and Dennis gets surprisingly honest about how unprocessed grief had been quietly running his life for years, shrinking his risk tolerance, feeding a harsh inner critic, and driving his ambition from a wound instead of from joy.

He shares a simple four-step framework for processing grief and disappointment in real time, talks about what it actually means to create safe spaces in your relationships, and explains why overresponding to something small is almost always about something older.

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